what happened to war supplies?! - Guild Wars Forums

angela faye · May 30, 2012, 07:05 PM // 19:05

I noticed recently a huge price drop of war supplies. Last month I have no problem selling stack of them at 16~18e each, but nowadays peopel are buying and selling them at 9~10e per stack.

And today I saw this guy in kamadan selling 5000 stacks of war supplies:

I know that you can do a quest ( I forgot the quest name atm) over and over to get around 75 war supplies every hour. But I don't think this will explain the sudden price drop and people with 5000+ stacks.

I also thought about dupers, but since Anet claimed they already fixed the bug. And there a lot more other valuable candidates for dupers such as zkeys, armbraces , even lockpicks. So actually this reason doesn't stand.

The last reason I could think of for this is bot.

What do you think?

spun ducky · May 30, 2012, 10:19 PM // 22:19

Simple answer Kieran quest is being botted by a lot of people hence the steady price decay.

Enchanted Krystal · May 30, 2012, 11:19 PM // 23:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by spun ducky

Simple answer Kieran quest is being botted by a lot of people hence the steady price decay.

Yup, plain & simple. It's bots again.

Zylo16 · May 31, 2012, 12:40 AM // 00:40

75/hour... 5000 stacks = 1250000 war supplies. He must have several accounts going at once because that amounts to 16667 hours of botting

superraptors · May 31, 2012, 12:42 AM // 00:42

50 accounts running he could probably do it in a month

angela faye · May 31, 2012, 03:24 AM // 03:24

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Originally Posted by superraptors

50 accounts running he could probably do it in a month

So this guy have 25 computers running all day?

I assume that one pc can only run 2 accounts simultaneously.

Whatway · May 31, 2012, 04:14 AM // 04:14

Multilaunch can support as many copied instances as you want and your computer can handle. Also, look on the bots shown on youtube and you'll see most can disable graphics. With a mid-end machine, you can easily run 10 instances of Guild Wars with disabled graphics. GW is not exactly resource intensive.

Olle · May 31, 2012, 04:50 AM // 04:50

i can run 7 GW instances with mid lag. (for DUNGEONS)

akelarumi · May 31, 2012, 12:46 PM // 12:46

Question: If a botter is caught in GW and banned, is he/she also banned for GW2? I certainly hope so. Though I know anet isn't putting much effort into catching them atm, I would like to see that the risk they are taking is elevated to that point (if not already the case).

yitjuan · May 31, 2012, 01:38 PM // 13:38

One of the recent videos shows Keiran running past every group until the end, then killing the final 3 mobs. With that method, you kill the first 3 and the last 3 mobs only. It takes 4 minutes to do the mission. The route is always the same, so it's easily automated. If someone were to bot this, it would be easy.

aspi · May 31, 2012, 02:49 PM // 14:49

It could be a power buyer but I am leaning towards a bot user. I'm sure Anet could see what his story is, if they cared :/

Premium Unleaded · May 31, 2012, 03:23 PM // 15:23

It's definitely due to Auspicious Beginnings botting.

Zaph · May 31, 2012, 03:55 PM // 15:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by akelarumi

Question: If a botter is caught in GW and banned, is he/she also banned for GW2? I certainly hope so. Though I know anet isn't putting much effort into catching them atm, I would like to see that the risk they are taking is elevated to that point (if not already the case).

If an account is permanently suspended; HoM of that acc is also locked and can't be used for Gw2.

yitjuan · May 31, 2012, 04:05 PM // 16:05

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Originally Posted by Zaph

If an account is permanently suspended; HoM of that acc is also locked and can't be used for Gw2.

thats not the point, does the email used for GW1 effectively get blocked from GW2 as well? or are they treated as separate accounts ?

Arm · May 31, 2012, 05:03 PM // 17:03

Banning an email doesnt really matter as emails are free...
I'm not entirely sure about the stats (i.e. majority of bots etc.) but I think a lot of these bots are for the purpose of rmt. These guys don't really care if their account gets killed because they buy many accounts with the profits they make from rmt.
And as far as emails like I said they just make random named free emails.
I don't know really anything about programming but if only there was a way to spot the bot through some kind of in-game check. If it was possible for the game to detect botting and not have to have a real person check it out then that would be the only way to combat these types of problems.
Because let's face it, one person can be responsible for many bots and many accounts and they can just keep buying more and more. In thinking like this it could take many people to keep up with just one professional botter.
I don't think many people get this fact. It's impossible for them to keep up with botters by simply putting people on the job. They must come up with some way to catch these guys through some sort of program.
Also if you play other online games you will see the same thing. It must be that atm this type of bot-catching program is simply unwritable. Maybe someone who knows about programming could explain to us why no one has been able to write a program like this?

Minorin · May 31, 2012, 05:43 PM // 17:43

Looks like he power trades a ton, even botting that would take far too long, he probably buys in bulk super low and then resells higher.

Premium Unleaded · May 31, 2012, 06:14 PM // 18:14

Considering the main complaint about bots atm is pvp and there are more than a few times where the bot is sporting a silver or bronze trim...

Master Archer Nente · May 31, 2012, 07:29 PM // 19:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arm

Banning an email doesnt really matter as emails are free...
I'm not entirely sure about the stats (i.e. majority of bots etc.) but I think a lot of these bots are for the purpose of rmt. These guys don't really care if their account gets killed because they buy many accounts with the profits they make from rmt.
And as far as emails like I said they just make random named free emails.
I don't know really anything about programming but if only there was a way to spot the bot through some kind of in-game check. If it was possible for the game to detect botting and not have to have a real person check it out then that would be the only way to combat these types of problems.
Because let's face it, one person can be responsible for many bots and many accounts and they can just keep buying more and more. In thinking like this it could take many people to keep up with just one professional botter.
I don't think many people get this fact. It's impossible for them to keep up with botters by simply putting people on the job. They must come up with some way to catch these guys through some sort of program.
Also if you play other online games you will see the same thing. It must be that atm this type of bot-catching program is simply unwritable. Maybe someone who knows about programming could explain to us why no one has been able to write a program like this?

Only one problem with that. The real player who decides to repeatedly farm an event over and over and over for many many hours taking few breaks the game might think that he/she is a bot.

Arkon Necrocannibal · May 31, 2012, 08:31 PM // 20:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Master Archer Nente

Only one problem with that. The real player who decides to repeatedly farm an event over and over and over for many many hours taking few breaks the game might think that he/she is a bot.

The server knows if there is an injection or not and if the actions of the charactere are randoms (like an human) or every time pretty much the same (like a bot).
The only case I know of an human being banned for botting was at the time of the FFF when two guys alternate to play for many hours.

jakerzi · May 31, 2012, 10:42 PM // 22:42

You guys really think he was serious about 5000 stacks? I've seen exxagerations in Kamadan TONS.

May 30, 2012, 07:05 PM // 19:05	#1
angela faye Krytan Explorer Join Date: Mar 2007 Profession: R/	what happened to war supplies?! I noticed recently a huge price drop of war supplies. Last month I have no problem selling stack of them at 16~18e each, but nowadays peopel are buying and selling them at 9~10e per stack. And today I saw this guy in kamadan selling 5000 stacks of war supplies: I know that you can do a quest ( I forgot the quest name atm) over and over to get around 75 war supplies every hour. But I don't think this will explain the sudden price drop and people with 5000+ stacks. I also thought about dupers, but since Anet claimed they already fixed the bug. And there a lot more other valuable candidates for dupers such as zkeys, armbraces , even lockpicks. So actually this reason doesn't stand. The last reason I could think of for this is bot. What do you think? Last edited by angela faye; May 30, 2012 at 07:09 PM // 19:09..

May 30, 2012, 10:19 PM // 22:19	#2
spun ducky Jungle Guide Join Date: Nov 2005 Guild: WTB: q8 bows Profession: R/N	Simple answer Kieran quest is being botted by a lot of people hence the steady price decay.

May 31, 2012, 12:40 AM // 00:40	#4
Zylo16 Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jan 2012 Profession: Mo/E	75/hour... 5000 stacks = 1250000 war supplies. He must have several accounts going at once because that amounts to 16667 hours of botting

May 31, 2012, 12:42 AM // 00:42	#5
superraptors Grotto Attendant Join Date: Dec 2008 Profession: W/	50 accounts running he could probably do it in a month

May 31, 2012, 04:14 AM // 04:14	#7
Whatway Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Apr 2011 Guild: WTB Q11-13 Str -2e/-2s Eternal Shields Profession: A/Me	Multilaunch can support as many copied instances as you want and your computer can handle. Also, look on the bots shown on youtube and you'll see most can disable graphics. With a mid-end machine, you can easily run 10 instances of Guild Wars with disabled graphics. GW is not exactly resource intensive.

May 31, 2012, 04:50 AM // 04:50	#8
Olle Furnace Stoker Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Ign: Miniature Julia Guild: Teh Academy[PhD] Profession: W/	i can run 7 GW instances with mid lag. (for DUNGEONS)

May 31, 2012, 12:46 PM // 12:46	#9
akelarumi Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Nov 2009 Profession: E/	Question: If a botter is caught in GW and banned, is he/she also banned for GW2? I certainly hope so. Though I know anet isn't putting much effort into catching them atm, I would like to see that the risk they are taking is elevated to that point (if not already the case).

May 31, 2012, 01:38 PM // 13:38	#10
yitjuan Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: GMT +8 Guild: redt Profession: Rt/	One of the recent videos shows Keiran running past every group until the end, then killing the final 3 mobs. With that method, you kill the first 3 and the last 3 mobs only. It takes 4 minutes to do the mission. The route is always the same, so it's easily automated. If someone were to bot this, it would be easy.

May 31, 2012, 02:49 PM // 14:49	#11
aspi Desert Nomad Join Date: Jan 2010 Guild: eeew Profession: N/Rt	It could be a power buyer but I am leaning towards a bot user. I'm sure Anet could see what his story is, if they cared :/

May 31, 2012, 03:23 PM // 15:23	#12
Premium Unleaded Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Aug 2005	It's definitely due to Auspicious Beginnings botting.

May 31, 2012, 05:03 PM // 17:03	#15
Arm Academy Page Join Date: Feb 2010	Banning an email doesnt really matter as emails are free... I'm not entirely sure about the stats (i.e. majority of bots etc.) but I think a lot of these bots are for the purpose of rmt. These guys don't really care if their account gets killed because they buy many accounts with the profits they make from rmt. And as far as emails like I said they just make random named free emails. I don't know really anything about programming but if only there was a way to spot the bot through some kind of in-game check. If it was possible for the game to detect botting and not have to have a real person check it out then that would be the only way to combat these types of problems. Because let's face it, one person can be responsible for many bots and many accounts and they can just keep buying more and more. In thinking like this it could take many people to keep up with just one professional botter. I don't think many people get this fact. It's impossible for them to keep up with botters by simply putting people on the job. They must come up with some way to catch these guys through some sort of program. Also if you play other online games you will see the same thing. It must be that atm this type of bot-catching program is simply unwritable. Maybe someone who knows about programming could explain to us why no one has been able to write a program like this?

May 31, 2012, 05:43 PM // 17:43	#16
Minorin Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Sep 2010 Guild: Compendium Of Resurrection [Void] Profession: Me/N	Looks like he power trades a ton, even botting that would take far too long, he probably buys in bulk super low and then resells higher.

May 31, 2012, 06:14 PM // 18:14	#17
Premium Unleaded Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Aug 2005	Considering the main complaint about bots atm is pvp and there are more than a few times where the bot is sporting a silver or bronze trim...

May 31, 2012, 10:42 PM // 22:42	#20
jakerzi Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2012	You guys really think he was serious about 5000 stacks? I've seen exxagerations in Kamadan TONS.